Pawz4me
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PapPappy wrote:Starfire5 wrote:They supposedly won't change the formula for a year, but we'll see. I envision stockpiling bags and bags of it while I can! LOL
Not entirely true! From what our Specialty Store told us, they are actually allowed to keep the formula on the bag for 6-months or so, but they can change the product in the bag immediately 
What Starfire5 is referring to is the sale agreement between Natura and P&G, which supposedly states that P&G isn't allowed to change the formulas in any way for one year.
The belief by many that pet food manufacturers can change ingredients and have six months to change the package label is an urban myth. AAFCO regulations require that labels be changed immediately to reflect ingredient changes. The problem is that no one is enforcing the regulations, and so labels do in fact often lag behind ingredient changes.
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Starfire5
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Who knows what the truth really is? For me, all I know is that my cats WILL eat the current food and nothing else, so I'm going to stock up before they change it.
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Go Dogs
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IF you're looking to another brand, I have good results w/ Purina One. They weren't involved in the recall a few years ago and my puppies and dogs have always done well on it.
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sue.t
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Yes, our pet food store advised me last visit that Innova EVO was now with P&G. She suggested we consider changing foods in the near future.
So, we're keeping our eye on it. Tazz is used to a variety of foods (she ate all the purchases we made trying to find a food Jake could eat) so it won't be an issue to switch her dry food. We're also fortunate that there are local speciality food creators so may consider going with one of those products.
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rockhillmanor
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I know I for one AND my pet got caught NOT knowing about the Wellness change. And for my pet it was a dangerous change.
My dog has seizures. Learning about food additives and a couple of environemental aspects we were able to control them without the use of medication which in itself causes serious damage long term.
It took months to weed out the dog foods that where causing the seizures (because of unknown additives because they do NOT have to report them if they have been applied to an ingredient they purchase, a real good example of this is the chemicals used for rendering products which is in almost all pet foods does not have to be disclosed in the label, because the ingredient was not added at their plant)
Wellness stopped my dog from having seizures. When they started up again of course the first thing my vet asked was "did I change his food?" NO, or so I thought, but they HAD indeed changed their formula.
It is good to hear from your posts that many owners of the pet stores that carry these brands are informing their customers. Honest to the point for they will lose customers when the change happens. Hopefully they will drop those products and replace them with companies that are a little bit more concerned about the ingredients they use.
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chuckster11
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Can't resist putting up the 2009 study and evaluation done by Consumer's Digest on this "Which food is better?" argument that rages. Go ahead and spend your money on "Designer" dog foods--there is simply no evidence that it makes a whit of difference in your dog's health. However, as I found out, it can make a real difference in your check book balance.
For your edification ttp://www.consumerreports.org/health/healthy-living/health-safety/pet-food/overview/pet-food-ov.htm
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rockhillmanor
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chuckster11 wrote:Can't resist putting up the 2009 study and evaluation done by Consumer's Digest on this "Which food is better?" argument that rages. Go ahead and spend your money on "Designer" dog foods--there is simply no evidence that it makes a whit of difference in your dog's health. However, as I found out, it can make a real difference in your check book balance.
For your edification ttp://www.consumerreports.org/health/healthy-living/health-safety/pet-food/overview/pet-food-ov.htm
Come on now Chuckster! 
"We asked eight experts in dog and cat nutrition at seven top veterinary schools what you get by spending more for pet food. (Note: All but one have received some funding from the pet-food industry.)...."
And for those that think there is no difference in what is put into dog food....if only we could ask the dogs that have seizures, kidney problems, allergies, diabetes, etc. how they feel about the ingredients that they are fed in commericial dog food that perpetuate their illnesses.
Not to mention the paragraph that talks about the importance of growth/breed formulated dog foods how "important" they are. Talk to the Dane people who believed their marketing strategy and rushed to buy the extreme protein large breed puppy food and ended up having to put their dogs down due to bone problems, before the pet food industry saw the error and retracted it.
Sorry Chuckster! I could go on and on regarding the holes in THAT article.!! But we did get our 'daily dose' of another dog food thread didn't we?!
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chuckster11
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rockhillmanor wrote:chuckster11 wrote:Can't resist putting up the 2009 study and evaluation done by Consumer's Digest on this "Which food is better?" argument that rages. Go ahead and spend your money on "Designer" dog foods--there is simply no evidence that it makes a whit of difference in your dog's health. However, as I found out, it can make a real difference in your check book balance.
For your edification ttp://www.consumerreports.org/health/healthy-living/health-safety/pet-food/overview/pet-food-ov.htm
Come on now Chuckster!
"We asked eight experts in dog and cat nutrition at seven top veterinary schools what you get by spending more for pet food. (Note: All but one have received some funding from the pet-food industry.)...."
I know, I know, what a PIA I am! But, I did try a "designer dog food" last year--one of those breed specific, holistic, moonbeam grown, "natural" foods that no doubt had been created by dedicated folks who liked nothing more than to listen to wolves howl while trying to psychically link with their wild souls while making their concoctions--- and then all the hair promptly fell out of my poor Cairns!
I learned my lesson--it was back to Science Diet Regular and two wonderful bouncy terriers that no longer looked like Toto hairlesses after a month or two.
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rockhillmanor
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chuckster11 wrote:rockhillmanor wrote:chuckster11 wrote:Can't resist putting up the 2009 study and evaluation done by Consumer's Digest on this "Which food is better?" argument that rages. Go ahead and spend your money on "Designer" dog foods--there is simply no evidence that it makes a whit of difference in your dog's health. However, as I found out, it can make a real difference in your check book balance.
For your edification ttp://www.consumerreports.org/health/healthy-living/health-safety/pet-food/overview/pet-food-ov.htm
Come on now Chuckster!
"We asked eight experts in dog and cat nutrition at seven top veterinary schools what you get by spending more for pet food. (Note: All but one have received some funding from the pet-food industry.)...."
I know, I know, what a PIA I am! But, I did try a "designer dog food" last year--one of those breed specific, holistic, moonbeam grown, "natural" foods that no doubt had been created by dedicated folks who liked nothing more than to listen to wolves howl while trying to psychically link with their wild souls while making their concoctions--- and then all the hair promptly fell out of my poor Cairns!
I learned my lesson--it was back to Science Diet Regular and two wonderful bouncy terriers that no longer looked like Toto hairlesses after a month or two.
Too funny! Love the description!
Owners do have to read 'every' part of the labels on the holistic type dog foods. There still can be an ingredient that 'your' particular dog is allergic to. For example many of these add quite a large amount of fruits like apples, blueberries, etc into the formula. For a dog that's diabetic that could throw his glucose levels all over the place and a trip to the vet and you've got a vet increasing his insulin with no regard to what was IN the dog food.
The other things is many good holistic foods do not use rendered fat of any kind in these dog foods. IMHO a GREAT thing! But in some cases with certain breeds you have to add an oil to the food like flax seed oil which is my favorite. Which will give your dog a wonderful coat compared to the rendered, god knows what is in there oil in commercial food.
Feed them right and don't let them do this..... !
And 'everyone' is a Happy Camper!
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Happytraveler
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My new designer dog food is  Nature's Variety I just did the big Switcher-Roo from Innova to Natures Variety Prairie Kibble.
Charlie, a male Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier
Katie, a female Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier
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