M GO BLUE
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To all the paranoid people on this forum: thanks for the laugh it made my day...
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Dave H M
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Black Box huh
What about your cell phone which can be converted to a listening device and you never have a clue? That is with it turned off but the battery still installed. 
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rupprider
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Dave, most teenagers can text message so fast, the CIA or any other gouvment agency could not possibly keep up!
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mkirsch
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Oakman wrote:I guess I’m screwed if I ever make a driving error and cause an accident.
If it's your fault, you should be held responsible.
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M GO BLUE wrote:To all the paranoid people on this forum: thanks for the laugh it made my day...
What would YOU call it??? Cameras at all intersections, recording phone calls, New Drivers' Licenses with bar codes, Apples Ipad and Iphone contacting Apple 2 times per day with the location of the cell phone, debit cards with locations and times and dates of your transactions, new smart power meters to tell the power company when you use the most and least power, recording cameras in malls, stores, parking lots, black boxes in cars, club cards at supermarkets etc....... Yep, just PARANOID!!!!LOL
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ib516
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I am a LEO and Collision Reconstructionist trained by Rusty Haight (probably the world's foremost expert on the topic) of the Collision Safety Institute to download automotive event data recorders (so called black boxes), I can confirm they do exist and are fairly easy to download (by way of a search warrant in most situations). Manufacturers will even download them for law enforcement and send the data back if you get a warrant. I once got info from a 2004 F150 for 400 seconds prior to a collision occurring. Throttle position, engine RPM, brakes on/off, speed, seat belt use, etc. etc. I have downloaded about a hundred of them.
If there are questions about these things, I can try and answer them. I have been certified as an expert in criminal court on the topic.
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Jarlaxle
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LIKE2BUILD wrote:M GO BLUE wrote:Here we go...the standard BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU phobia
Did you also know they can use those boxes to see how fast you are going and issue you a ticket if needed? Can also know where you have been; where you may be headed; name of your first born; how much you make per year; how much you weigh; etc. etc. etc.
There is an element of legitimacy to some of these concerns. I tend to not buy into conspiracy theories, but I do think there are reasons to be concerned regarding freedom and the level to which agencies monitor our activities.
I know this might sound corny, but what if GM tried to make money by cutting a deal with an insurance company to sell them the telimetry data acquired from OnStar equipped vehicles. Maybe at first it would just be to "study" driving habits using anonymous vehicle data looking at average speed compared to posted speed (determined by GPS location), throttle position, etc. But......what if the insurance company took that data, punched into one of there wonderful actuary tables, and established a correlation between claims/accidents and some measured vehicle parameter. Fast forward to a point that said insurance company now cuts a deal to access the OnStar data from your VIN and then one day you get a notice of a premium hike or cancellation because your monitored driving habits present too much risk to the company?
Again, I know this all sounds like too much Big Brother junk, but it is ENTIRELY PLAUSIBLE. Think about this little tidbit: GM has the ability to activate or de-activate your vehicle's OnStar without you knowing anything about it. I'm not a person that buys into alien abductions, the secret 40MPG carburetor that Big Oil destroyed, or anything else, but personally I'm leary of buying a vehicle equipped with OnStar for the above reasons. I hear the radio commercials all the time how it saves lives, helps people get rescued, etc. That's all fine and dandy but I just can't get comfortable with the idea that I could be monitored at any moment without my knowing about it.
KJ
Forget being monitored, try this on for size: Your wife is working late, and hops in her new Impala to drive home. In an isolated area, the car shuts down without warning. As she coasts to a stop, she sees a beat-up SUV pull up beside her. There are three guys in it with weapons...and a guy in the shotgun seat poking at a laptop & holding a crude-looking, obviously homemade antenna out the window pointed at her Impala. How long before CROOKS figure out how to remotely shut down cars? I'd bet the parts needed to do so could be built from stuff at Radio Shack or any big computer store.
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BenK
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It's now everywhere, including your clothing.
Industrial controls in my early career, then computing my last before
kinda sorta retiring. SunFederal (computer counter measures, etc) and
Sun corporate & SunLabs where I licensed out some of the basis for
today's big brother stuff.
RFID's are those no battery ID chips embedded into pets necks and based
on some of my stuff.
No battery, but a secondary coil. Pass it through a flux field (magnetic
field) and it powers up to send out whatever info it has and gathered
the last time it powered up and continued to work till the capacitor
power drains.
If you buy your clothes at any of the big ticket discount/warehouse/etc
stores, you have RFIDs embedded in the clothing.
How many folks out there has what I have on? From the brand, model,
color, size, etc....those RFIDs when powered up will broadcast enough
info to ID 'me' if they scanned me earlier and connected that signature
to 'me'.
Or your drivers license with a RFID, or credit card with a RFID, or
any smart chip based card or thing could be read by that black box
in the car/truck/etc you just stepped into.
Then that black box has the VIN and automotive info (speed, distance,
rate of change, even GPS location) *PLUS* that this vehicle has Mr Jones,
Mrs Jones, their kid and even their dog.
Anyone ever notice the stop sign flux field coils out on the freeways?
They are the cut-into pavement with embedded wires that creates a
magnetic field (flux field) to sense a vehicle in the left turn lane, etc
That then tells the traffic light computer that there is a vehicle
waiting to turn left and start the count down timer(s).
Since out on the freeway with no stop lights, why these flux fields?
Find one set and notice in each lane and always in pairs. Then notice
that there usually will be digital camera mounted on a pole close by.
Then notice that there is a pretty big utility box nearby too, which
houses the computer and transmission whatever (hard line to RF).
Since two coils, they will know direction, time of day, speed, etc
and some day, down load the vehicles black box info or portions of it
My city library no longer has to look at a card in a book, nor the
bar code.
There are (plural) RFIDs in all the stuff in my library.
When I or the 7 year old with an arm full of books go to the check out
counter, they most times knows which books and our library card number.
For sure when the double check by passing each book over that 'spot'
on the counter top.
Ditto returning books at the nite drop off chute. Swipe your library
card and then drop the books in one by one and then confirm on the
LCD display just above the chute opening.
It tells me who I am and which book is being returned. Also whether
there is a late charge, how much and even the service charge.
My daughter used to work as an operating room tech at a pet hospital.
They knew the whole file on any pet that had a chip in their neck
just by them walking over a flux field.
They had the folder opened on the screen before the owner gets to
the counter.
Florida is the first state in the union to authorize embedding these
RFID chips in kids.
Mexico City removed all of their employee ID badge code reader and
mandatory to have an RFID chip embedded into their left arm, or be
fired. All of their city buildings badge readers have been removed
and RFID readers (and flux fields) at all entrances.
Believe me, it is here and now...
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1996 GMC SLT Suburban 3/4 ton K3500/7.4L/4:1/+150Kmiles orig owner...
1980 Chevy Silverado C10/long bed/"BUILT" 5.7L/3:73/1 ton helper springs/+329Kmiles, bought it from dad...
1998 Mazda B2500 (1/2 ton) pickup, 2nd owner...
Praise Dyno Brake equiped and all have "nose bleed" braking!
Previous trucks/offroaders: 40's Jeep restored in mid 60's / 69 DuneBuggy (approx +1K lb: VW pan/200hpCorvair: eng, cam, dual carb'w velocity stacks'n 18" runners, 4spd transaxle) made myself from ground up / 1970 Toyota FJ40 / 1973 K5 Blazer (2dr Tahoe, 1 ton axles front/rear, +255K miles when sold it)...
Sold the boat (looking for another): Trophy with twin 150's...
51 cylinders in household, what's yours?...
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LIKE2BUILD
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BenK wrote:It's now everywhere, including your clothing.
Florida is the first state in the union to authorize embedding these
RFID chips in kids.
Mexico City removed all of their employee ID badge code reader and
mandatory to have an RFID chip embedded into their left arm, or be
fired. All of their city buildings badge readers have been removed
and RFID readers (and flux fields) at all entrances.
Believe me, it is here and now...
Okay Ben, I think you just scared me into being a conspiracy theorist. These tidbits, and everything else you stated in your post are just spooky.
Anybody remember the Tom Cruise movie "Minority Report". In that "future" they did everything by retinal scans, but it was a similar premise. The government always knew where you were by your ID. If people walked into a store they were scanned and a holographic video welcomed them by name and began offering sale items based on their buying habits.
That's all really weird stuff, but it doesn't sound all that far fetched based on what Ben has written. So, I guess I need to buy that land in the hills with it's own wind turbine, geothermal HVAC, and a Faraday cage!!!
KJ
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BenK
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Even more so...
Check your freebie email utility, like gmail or yahoo, etc.
They all 'read' the content of 'YOUR' emails and then go to their intelligent DBs
from their customers and the biggie, paying sponsors to place appropriately
targeted marketing/sales ads on the sides and/or top/bottom of your email browser
window. Even rv.net/etc has them both embedded between posts and
on the side.
I've had emails about building a new road bike and the level of
components am noodling...to then find appropriate ads on the side.
Appropriate because they targeted the level of components am noodling.
Ditto anything am reading/writing on my gmail account.
Click on anyone of them and you have just caused some commerce between the email
provider and their sponsor. Then if they have a 'good' deal (contract), when
you actually buy something 'over there'....your email provider gets a cut of that
transaction. This is the Google model and why they make so much $$$$$. Ditto on
their search engine pages, which has even more $$$$$. Then when they tie those
two utilities together, they have one of the worlds largest DBs on demographics
of individuals in the world (again, get away with by saying no personal info,
just demographics/statistically/etc)
The freebie Google utility you down loaded to help search 'your file'
system also provides Google with one of the largest DBs on user data
and demographics. If you filled out the initial questionnaire, they
now have 'your' profile to match whatever you have on your disc and
what you search for, what is in your emails, etc. I never fill out
those initial questionnaires and if do, lie (I make 500,000...am a
laborer...am 30 years old, etc)
They get away with 'reading' your content by saying no ID is provided to any
3rd party, etc, etc... Just demographics and statistics.
Not guessing, but fact.
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