wp6529
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You have a very simple option here if you don't approve of big brother spying on you - Learn where these "black box" recorders are (which PCM/ECM/BCM modules), and in the event of a serious accident simply proactively destroy them before anyone can think to go after data from them.
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LIKE2BUILD
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M GO BLUE wrote:Here we go...the standard BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU phobia
Did you also know they can use those boxes to see how fast you are going and issue you a ticket if needed? Can also know where you have been; where you may be headed; name of your first born; how much you make per year; how much you weigh; etc. etc. etc.
There is an element of legitimacy to some of these concerns. I tend to not buy into conspiracy theories, but I do think there are reasons to be concerned regarding freedom and the level to which agencies monitor our activities.
I know this might sound corny, but what if GM tried to make money by cutting a deal with an insurance company to sell them the telimetry data acquired from OnStar equipped vehicles. Maybe at first it would just be to "study" driving habits using anonymous vehicle data looking at average speed compared to posted speed (determined by GPS location), throttle position, etc. But......what if the insurance company took that data, punched into one of there wonderful actuary tables, and established a correlation between claims/accidents and some measured vehicle parameter. Fast forward to a point that said insurance company now cuts a deal to access the OnStar data from your VIN and then one day you get a notice of a premium hike or cancellation because your monitored driving habits present too much risk to the company?
Again, I know this all sounds like too much Big Brother junk, but it is ENTIRELY PLAUSIBLE. Think about this little tidbit: GM has the ability to activate or de-activate your vehicle's OnStar without you knowing anything about it. I'm not a person that buys into alien abductions, the secret 40MPG carburetor that Big Oil destroyed, or anything else, but personally I'm leary of buying a vehicle equipped with OnStar for the above reasons. I hear the radio commercials all the time how it saves lives, helps people get rescued, etc. That's all fine and dandy but I just can't get comfortable with the idea that I could be monitored at any moment without my knowing about it.
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Scully, the truth is out there and remember TRUST NO ONE.
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tupfam
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Don't you always feel like someone is watching you?
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The Texan
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People really need to do some research before going ballistic and paranoid. You bought the vehicle, and nowhere did you sign any paper saying the "black box" was proprietary or still owned by anyone else. With the "expectation of privacy", the only way to access this information legally, is through the courts for anyone, including the Police, insurance companies or the vehicle manufacturer.
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rick83864
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tupfam wrote:
Don't you always feel like someone is watching you?
Look about right?
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tupfam
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rick83864 wrote:tupfam wrote:
Don't you always feel like someone is watching you?
Look about right?
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Perrysburg Dodgeboy
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wp6529 wrote:You have a very simple option here if you don't approve of big brother spying on you - Learn where these "black box" recorders are (which PCM/ECM/BCM modules), and in the event of a serious accident simply proactively destroy them before anyone can think to go after data from them.
Well maybe you can get away with that in Texas (but I bet you can't) but most States when the Police put a hold on your vehicle not even the owner can get to the vehicle without a release form the issuing department. When I was doing police tows we would have people come in and demand to see their vehicle that had a hold on it but they never got in, not until they had a release form in hand.
As I said that used to happen a lot that is why the police have gone to putting holds on all vehicles involved serious accidents. Just a fact of life.
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Just be happy that CARB has not yet gotten what they wanted from the technology, i.e. telemetry to roadside receivers.
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The 'black box' even records voice in the cockpit for 30 seconds. The most frequent exclamation before a crash was "Oh sheet", but in Texas the most frequent in vehicle recording before the crash was "Here hold my beer and watch this !!"
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