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Posted: 07/25/14 09:36am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I see today news about a troop of Boy Scouts that were counciled about taking pictures at a us border crossing on their return from Alaska . There was no mention of which crossing. As I have to return also,I would like to know which so I can plan to avoid that crossing. Does anyone have info on this incident. I understand a senator is inquiring into the situation.

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http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2014/07/22/border-patrol-agent-pulls-gun-boy-scout-detaining-photography/ for info on that incident.

But see also:
http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2014/07/24/border-patrol-agent-forces-man-delete-recording-officer-safety-security/





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incredible. I would hope that one border agent was fired. I'm talking about the one that pointed his gun at the scouts head.
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Bumpyroad wrote:

incredible. I would hope that one border agent was fired. I'm talking about the one that pointed his gun at the scouts head.
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Video tape revealed that a gun was never taken out.

More information here: Link

That was an baseless allegation only of the troop leader.

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You know....I would say that given the severity of the whole thing, I hope that the video is screened by another agency, or person other than the supervisor on scene. Things have a bad habit of getting 'different' and there are always multiple sides to any story.

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I took a pic of a Border guy in his truck when down in Ca this past winter, but only after getting his permission.


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None of us were there, so it really is hard to comment and impossible to judge on the situation.

However, if any LEO, even a cop at traffic stop, orders you not to move or reach for something, and you do so, he/she is not only justified, but foolish if they do NOT draw their weapon.

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However, if any LEO, even a cop at traffic stop, orders you not to move or reach for something, and you do so, he/she is not only justified, but foolish if they do NOT draw their weapon.


in all of the published stories, there is absolutely nothing said where that could be "assumed". one scout was apparently getting luggage down from on top of the van as ordered when the agent reportedly pointed his gun. sounds like a GS-9 border agent was acting a few steps above his pay grade.
I hope they release footage of the incident myself.
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Bumpyroad wrote:

Dog Folks wrote:


However, if any LEO, even a cop at traffic stop, orders you not to move or reach for something, and you do so, he/she is not only justified, but foolish if they do NOT draw their weapon.


in all of the published stories, there is absolutely nothing said where that could be "assumed". one scout was apparently getting luggage down from on top of the van as ordered when the agent reportedly pointed his gun. sounds like a GS-9 border agent was acting a few steps above his pay grade.
I hope they release footage of the incident myself.
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I wasn't "assuming" anything. Just stating an opinion, in general, about LEO safety, and not necessarily this situation. As I said before, we cannot judge. We were not there.

Humans are involved so there will be good and bad ones. Humans that make mistakes on the job and ones that don't.

I just wonder if this would have ever made made the news without it being a boy scout to increase the "wow" factor. Sensationalism?

How people per day find themselves at gun point by an LEO, for whatever reason, every day in this country? That never hits the news.

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There is so much paranoia with picture taking in border areas and the capital. I was stopped by DC cops when I visited the capital a few years ago and was told taking pictures of security installations (road block barriers) were not allowed. I was also told I was not allowed to take pictures of the San Ysidro border crossing when I took a visiting family member from overseas to see the Mexican border.





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a LEO does not make a mistake. They never do wrong. One LEO never admits another LEO is wrong. Code of the Blue. All they have to do is say "I thought he had a gun". End of story.


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