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ferndaleflyer wrote:

I have a pusher. My friend just bought a gasser with a V-10 Ford motor and I drove it home about 100mi for him----that thing sounded like a hurricane under my feet at 60--65mph. That alone would keep me away from a gasser. Get yourself a used high end pusher for that money--American Eagle, Foretravel, etc comes to mind. Stay away from the entry level pushers as they are just that.


Yep my F-53 sounded that way at 1st, but than I bought heat/sound proofing material and did the dog house and floor area under driver/passenger seats and now its so quiet I can here my radio at low volume and can now talk with wife without having to speak up..

Gassers just needs some improvements and than they will almost as good as a diesel but half the cost..

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timmac wrote:

ferndaleflyer wrote:

I have a pusher. My friend just bought a gasser with a V-10 Ford motor and I drove it home about 100mi for him----that thing sounded like a hurricane under my feet at 60--65mph. That alone would keep me away from a gasser. Get yourself a used high end pusher for that money--American Eagle, Foretravel, etc comes to mind. Stay away from the entry level pushers as they are just that.


Yep my F-53 sounded that way at 1st, but than I bought heat/sound proofing material and did the dog house and floor area under driver/passenger seats and now its so quiet I can here my radio at low volume and can now talk with wife without having to speak up..

Gassers just needs some improvements and than they will almost as good as a diesel but half the cost..

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Define "almost as good?"


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timmac wrote:

ferndaleflyer wrote:

I have a pusher. My friend just bought a gasser with a V-10 Ford motor and I drove it home about 100mi for him----that thing sounded like a hurricane under my feet at 60--65mph. That alone would keep me away from a gasser. Get yourself a used high end pusher for that money--American Eagle, Foretravel, etc comes to mind. Stay away from the entry level pushers as they are just that.


Yep my F-53 sounded that way at 1st, but than I bought heat/sound proofing material and did the dog house and floor area under driver/passenger seats and now its so quiet I can here my radio at low volume and can now talk with wife without having to speak up..

Gassers just needs some improvements and than they will almost as good as a diesel but half the cost..

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The better way is to look at as a gasser being $20,000 to $50,000 better!!!

The one DP I drove had as much noise (wind noise) as my gasser with $150 of sound insulation added to the dog house. And wind noise is all I hear most of the time with my gasser. The other 5% of the time, the noise level is still OK.


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Dale.Traveling wrote:

For the usage level, "3-4 times a year", a newer gas coach might be best. A diesel platform brings some really nice features that if you were planning to use the coach more would be a major up check but going with something several years newer on a gas chassis might be a better fit at this time. Add a zero behind your numbers and I would vote diesel.

Also my 2006 V10 isn't any louder than my 1998 Honda Accord thanks to the prior owner insulating the engine cover. I can hear every dish, pot and pan very clearly banging around in the cabinets on what has become the standard road surface quality.


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We went shopping yesterday throughout southern Vt and NH. Stopped at a few dealers and some consignment locations. We were able to look at several different makes and models. Most at the top end or 10-20K above where we want to be.

The one thing we found is that the older higher end models, Newmar, Bounder Fleetwood and Damon were much nicer then some of the newer models which were at a similar price point.

We also made the mistake of looking at a couple diesel's which, engine and drivetrain aside, were much nicer fit and finish. Leather furniture, solid surface counters, real hardwood cabinetry and there seemed to be more storage.

Still not sure we can step up and when paying 10-20k more for older models then the gas counterparts I'm not sure the return on investment is there. Not that investing in an RV is ever a money making proposition but I always like to at least look at which will hold it's value better.


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All depends on how you really use it. If it is really 3-4 times per year renting might put you ahead, depending on the miles you drive. I really like what we have, my brother loves his V-10 C. He paid more for his new than I did for mine used.


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dubdub07 wrote:

timmac wrote:

ferndaleflyer wrote:

I have a pusher. My friend just bought a gasser with a V-10 Ford motor and I drove it home about 100mi for him----that thing sounded like a hurricane under my feet at 60--65mph. That alone would keep me away from a gasser. Get yourself a used high end pusher for that money--American Eagle, Foretravel, etc comes to mind. Stay away from the entry level pushers as they are just that.


Yep my F-53 sounded that way at 1st, but than I bought heat/sound proofing material and did the dog house and floor area under driver/passenger seats and now its so quiet I can here my radio at low volume and can now talk with wife without having to speak up..

Gassers just needs some improvements and than they will almost as good as a diesel but half the cost..

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Well that can be difficult to explain completely but I will give you a short version, most diesel chassis come with all the upgrades for better ride and such, however a gas chassis can also be upgraded by owner at 1/2 what the diesel cost such as airbags, stabilizers, sound proofing materials, etc, etc, where a diesel can win out is in hp and torque, however my 08 f-53 with the banks system does have 400 hp and 500 torque lbs does get around pretty good at 7 mpg and gas cost is usually 50 cents less per gal compared to diesel, repair cost on a f-53 will always be less, parts will be less and repair shops will be more available, I will end this here but others can add more if they wish..

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timmac wrote:

dubdub07 wrote:

timmac wrote:

ferndaleflyer wrote:

I have a pusher. My friend just bought a gasser with a V-10 Ford motor and I drove it home about 100mi for him----that thing sounded like a hurricane under my feet at 60--65mph. That alone would keep me away from a gasser. Get yourself a used high end pusher for that money--American Eagle, Foretravel, etc comes to mind. Stay away from the entry level pushers as they are just that.


Yep my F-53 sounded that way at 1st, but than I bought heat/sound proofing material and did the dog house and floor area under driver/passenger seats and now its so quiet I can here my radio at low volume and can now talk with wife without having to speak up..

Gassers just needs some improvements and than they will almost as good as a diesel but half the cost..

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Define "almost as good?"


Well that can be difficult to explain completely but I will give you a short version, most diesel chassis come with all the upgrades for better ride and such, however a gas chassis can also be upgraded by owner at 1/2 what the diesel cost such as airbags, stabilizers, sound proofing materials, etc, etc, where a diesel can win out is in hp and torque, however my 08 f-53 with the banks system does have 400 hp and 500 torque lbs does get around pretty good at 7 mpg and gas cost is usually 50 cents less per gal compared to diesel, repair cost on a f-53 will always be less, parts will be less and repair shops will be more available, I will end this here but others can add more if they wish..


Some valid point but some clarification might be in order.

Granted diesel costs more but the better fuel economy with a diesel offsets a goodly portion on the fuel difference. You have to look at the total fuel cost over a typical trip. For example on a 1,000 mile trip at 7.0 mpg vs a diesel at 8.5 mpg you actually spend $30.00 LESS for diesel. An upside for the diesel would be the topically longer range due to more fuel capacity.

As for repairs, I suspect that is only true for the Chassis parts such as suspension, steering, and etc since all the "stuff" used for living is the same as in a DP. I would suspect that for coaches of near the same wt, the chassis components are pretty much the same regardless of the engine type. Granted oil changes would be ~$80.00/year more but aside from that I'm not sure maintenance is a huge difference.

On the service center point, I'm afraid I would have to challenge that assertion. These is no end to facilities to service a DP and unless you are looking at a very small gasser access to locations can become a limiting factor.

Just my thoughts.


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I'm just trying to think of what kind of gas engine would push our 40,000 lb. coach where we have 425 hp and 1,200 lb. ft. of torque and we have averaged about 7.2 mpg over 65,000 miles.

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* This post was edited 04/14/14 09:40am by Mr.Mark *


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