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4CUNUSA

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Lot of information in this post, some accurate, some not.

I am a retired CA LEO who spent a lot of time working traffic enforcement and commercial enforcement. I am currently a CDL driver with all endorsements.

The answer is: you may tow 2 vehicles with your motorhome. There are certain weight restrictions which most likely will not apply to you and you may not be over 65 feet long.

CA law requires a Commercial Class A license for any person pulling any 2 trailers. If licensed out of state, you must be similarly licensed in your home state. Commercial licensing is pretty similar state to state now.

This shows the NON Commercial CA driver's license classes
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/dl648/dl648pt2.htm

* This post was edited 11/17/13 01:00pm by 4CUNUSA *

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4CUNUSA wrote:

Lot of information in this post, some accurate, some not.

I am a retired CA LEO who spent a lot of time working traffic enforcement and commercial enforcement. I am currently a CDL driver with all endorsements.

The answer is: you may tow 2 vehicles with your motorhome. There are certain weight restrictions which most likely will not apply to you and you may not be over 65 feet long.

CA law requires a Commercial Class A license for any person pulling any 2 trailers. If licensed out of state, you must be similarly licensed in your home state. Commercial licensing is pretty similar state to state now.

This shows the NON Commercial CA driver's license classes
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/dl648/dl648pt2.htm
The way I read your (Ca DMV) requirements for Ca license holders, one would need a Non commercial Class A with doubles endorsement.

*"CDL Exceptions
Exceptions to the CDL requirements are: Drivers of housecars over 40 feet but not over 45 feet, with endorsement."

But when I look at the California Driver License Classes, it sure is confusing, and I held a NYS Class 1 and. CDL when they came on the scene, with doubles endorsement from 1970 on until two years ago when I decided to quit paying the big bucks for it.


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wny_pat wrote:

4CUNUSA wrote:

Lot of information in this post, some accurate, some not.

I am a retired CA LEO who spent a lot of time working traffic enforcement and commercial enforcement. I am currently a CDL driver with all endorsements.

The answer is: you may tow 2 vehicles with your motorhome. There are certain weight restrictions which most likely will not apply to you and you may not be over 65 feet long.

CA law requires a Commercial Class A license for any person pulling any 2 trailers. If licensed out of state, you must be similarly licensed in your home state. Commercial licensing is pretty similar state to state now.

This shows the NON Commercial CA driver's license classes
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/dl648/dl648pt2.htm
The way I read your (Ca DMV) requirements for Ca license holders, one would need a Non commercial Class A with doubles endorsement.

*"CDL Exceptions
Exceptions to the CDL requirements are: Drivers of housecars over 40 feet but not over 45 feet, with endorsement."

But when I look at the California Driver License Classes, it sure is confusing, and I held a NYS Class 1 and. CDL when they came on the scene, with doubles endorsement from 1970 on until two years ago when I decided to quit paying the big bucks for it.


You must have a commercial Class A to tow 2 trailers in CA. At the top of the link I posted it states this. And yes it is confusing!

Almost forgot, you also must have a doubles endorsement.

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Well, let me throw in my two cents worth.

Background: 33 years CHP including time as commercial vehicle sergeant.

Double towing behind a motor home has NEVER been allowed in CA.

You used to be able to tow double provided the first vehicle being towed was a fifth wheel. No longer. I checked with the inspection facility at Grapevine several years ago and it is no longer allowed to tow double with an RV in California.

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loulou57 wrote:

We tow a TT and the boat behind.

There seems to be much confusion as to rules from provinces to provinces and states to states as to how much you can tow and with what vehicle you can tow with. For instance...towing a TT and boat together in Ontario depends on the TV you are using and total weight.

We have been told by the Ontario ministry of transport that we because we are legal here we will be legal in the rest of Canada and the US.

There will be folk on here that will argue this, that is a good thing. It makes people responsible to check exactly where they intend to tow.

There are even police officers that are not knowledgeable on rules until they stop you and then call to check. We carry documentation with us of the traffic act as well as the name of a man who teaches the OPP about towing rules. We carry his card and # and he says if we are stopped to have the officer call him. Many people double tow in northern Ontario.

I suggest that before you head out do your homework according to your travel plans.

loulou57 wrote:

We tow a TT and the boat behind.

There seems to be much confusion as to rules from provinces to provinces and states to states as to how much you can tow and with what vehicle you can tow with. For instance...towing a TT and boat together in Ontario depends on the TV you are using and total weight.

We have been told by the Ontario ministry of transport that we because we are legal here we will be legal in the rest of Canada and the US.

There will be folk on here that will argue this, that is a good thing. It makes people responsible to check exactly where they intend to tow.

There are even police officers that are not knowledgeable on rules until they stop you and then call to check. We carry documentation with us of the traffic act as well as the name of a man who teaches the OPP about towing rules. We carry his card and # and he says if we are stopped to have the officer call him. Many people double tow in northern Ontario.

I suggest that before you head out do your homework according to your travel plans.

One other important limitation on towing in Ontario is the combined weight of all towed units cannot exceed 4,536 kg if the tow vehicle is not equipped with a fifth wheel hitch assembly.

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Since the rules can vary state to state and they can change on a whim of that states particular legislature or DMV, the simple and easy answer is get an inflatable boat and go boating and forget about it. [emoticon]


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Doug and Cassi Glass wrote:



You used to be able to tow double provided the first vehicle being towed was a fifth wheel. No longer. I checked with the inspection facility at Grapevine several years ago and it is no longer allowed to tow double with an RV in California.
Doug, either your friend gave you some wrong information, OR the CHP has turned over a new leaf. We have friends in CA who double tow behind their 5th wheels every trip and one is a CHP officer. Also, we witnessed double towing our last trip there this year, with CHP in the vicinity and no one was stopped.


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Well, thanks! Now I am really confused. I do know that if at all possible, stay out of the state of Califonia! Why are the right and left coasts so difficult on RVers?

We have a pretty substantial RV tourist season and I would bet 9 out of 10 CO State troopers wouldn't look twice at most RVs unless something really stood out as unsafe. I certainly have never seen one measured!

As far as double towing with a motorhome; every state in the union SHOULD allow it, if your length is under 70 ft. This is so ridiculous. The motorhome can tow and is made for it. Your toad can tow and is made for it. The only difference is the motorhome is doing all the pulling. The two "toads" are helping with braking, and my motorhome could stop them both anyway. A fifth wheel or TT is most certainly not built for towing, in any way, shape or form. Yet I have seen a Wrangler behind a fifth wheel. TX plates! And it seemed to work ok to me!

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California double tow laws

http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/traffops/trucks/trucksize/length.htm


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Thanks for the many response on my thread about double towing, I decided on a canoe and setting up my jeep to carry on top, would rather towed behind Jeep but since the laws are all over the place carrying the canoe is a better choice for now..

Just to let you know my canoe will be powered by a Lehr 5hp propane motor, the motors are new on market as of last year 2012, uses the small green propane tank like your portable grill or heater..

Here is the website..

http://golehr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/banner_08-960x500.jpg

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