topflite51
In The Desert of Nevada
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Give anybody a hammer, pliers and a saw and they will leave debris of one kind or another behind. It is NOT just the RV construction industry. It happens all the time in home construction also. I have had 4 homes built in my life, in every one of them upon final inspection have had to make the general contractor's send someone out to pick up the garbage from under the house.
Have been TOO afraid to look under the cabinets.
 David
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mike brez
milford ct
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Gsmitty77 wrote:Where's Sully??? Hey Sully - how did you guys handle FOD!? Both Sully and I have Aerospace background. FOD (junk not belonging), is a life and death potential in airplanes, especially those things that make all the noise and suck/push you thru the air....
Our Bounder was 7 years old when we bought from the 1st owner. He commented about all of the cleaning up he had done, as he worked in different projects over the years. That being said, I still found left over junk, and very sloppy wire management, as I did my project over about four years.
When looking for our current rig, I crawled thru/under/in to many rigs as part of my self inspection of the units. I noted a remarked differences in three rigs. Travel Supreme and Alpine, all had some items, mostly saw dust and 'punch out' items that just were closed up where they were - but, next to nothing compared to other manufacturers. Tiffen seemed to have the most, with Monaco/Newmar/Fleetwood's American Coach all about the same. The least I saw, and the cleanest wire, and plumbing lines, and attention to assembly, caulking and insulation in the 'behind the scenes' locations - were Bluebird/Wanderlodge and Country Coach. These were all neat, orderly, and minimal saw dust and 'junk' left over.
Usually this FOD does no harm, but, it can vibrate over the years and cause problems.
Best to all, get out your shop vacs!
Smitty .
I think I rember Sully posting a few years ago with a toilet problem and it ended up being a soda can in the black tank from the factory.
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rolnhome
Casa Grande, Az
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I just bought a new house same problem. Time is money. Out of sight out of mind. I think they know better they just don't care and are lazy.
We're in Arizona
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Old-Biscuit
Across the USA
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Quote:You will find the same situation in a factory built home or stick built house so...its something we should all consider normal. To put it bluntly...do you want to pay an electrician or plumber extra wages at thier pay scale to clean up after themselve? Some will indeed have a helper work with them for the sole purpose of cleaning but that will indeed add to your bill.
In the 1970's I was a Site Supervisor for a home developer. We built new residential homes......standard tract & up scale homes. It was NOT accepted practice for contractors/sub-contractors to just leave debris behind, fact is it was written into the contracts and 10% payment was with held until site was satisfactory.....just one of my responsibilities. Funny thing.....very few had to be reminded.
Things sure have changed.....full days work for pay and pride in the work. It shouldn't be accepted as 'norm for the industry'
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rolnhome
Casa Grande, Az
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I agree with old biscuit. I was a superintendent for 20 years. With lower wages comes lower quality. I wouldn't put up with an unfinished job. If it wasn't cleaned up it wasn't finished but we paid top wage. When's the last time you found******like that in a new car, again for the most part Automobile manafactures pay a top wage and benefits.
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rolnhome
Casa Grande, Az
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Wow you can't say crap. Even my mom sometime said c**p
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Sully2
Cincinnati
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mike brez wrote:Gsmitty77 wrote:Where's Sully??? Hey Sully - how did you guys handle FOD!? Both Sully and I have Aerospace background. FOD (junk not belonging), is a life and death potential in airplanes, especially those things that make all the noise and suck/push you thru the air....
Our Bounder was 7 years old when we bought from the 1st owner. He commented about all of the cleaning up he had done, as he worked in different projects over the years. That being said, I still found left over junk, and very sloppy wire management, as I did my project over about four years.
When looking for our current rig, I crawled thru/under/in to many rigs as part of my self inspection of the units. I noted a remarked differences in three rigs. Travel Supreme and Alpine, all had some items, mostly saw dust and 'punch out' items that just were closed up where they were - but, next to nothing compared to other manufacturers. Tiffen seemed to have the most, with Monaco/Newmar/Fleetwood's American Coach all about the same. The least I saw, and the cleanest wire, and plumbing lines, and attention to assembly, caulking and insulation in the 'behind the scenes' locations - were Bluebird/Wanderlodge and Country Coach. These were all neat, orderly, and minimal saw dust and 'junk' left over.
Usually this FOD does no harm, but, it can vibrate over the years and cause problems.
Best to all, get out your shop vacs!
Smitty .
I think I rember Sully posting a few years ago with a toilet problem and it ended up being a soda can in the black tank from the factory.
Yepper...A Mountain Dew can..and the funny part is...I had owned that coach 5 years and it had been in there all that time! It jammed the black tank valve but I pried it out
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Cloud Dancer
San Antonio and Livingston TX USA
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Regarding Newmar, I can say some nice things and I can say some not-so-nice things.
What I will say is that the pressure to "keep the line moving" is probably so high that it obscures their vision.
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T&A
SE Michigan
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I just sweep up the sawdust and put the extra screws in a drawer to replace the ones that eventually fall out.
Terry
Terry & Amy
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BudParrish
Clear Lake, Texas
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I've found wall paper pieces, cut wiring, cut insulation, candy bar wrappers and even Burger King wrappers beneath the bottom drawers in cabinets and in various places that would normally be hidden.
For me, cleanliness is a marker of pride in workmanship and quality control. I would have expected better in a quarter million dollar coach from the supervisors and managers of the coach builder.
Yes, it isn't anything tough for me to clean these areas, but the real question is, why should I have to? Would you expect to find all kinds of trash under the hood, seats, and inside the glove box of your new Lexus, or even your new Civic?
Of course not! You should expect pride in workmanship.
Bud
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