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mlh

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Posted: 07/27/10 07:51pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I bought a dolly to tow a car that was not towable 4 down. I just got a new toad that CAN be towed four down. Once I sell the dolly, I will buy the tow bar, etc. The dolly would save about 550 lbs if I did not use it. Also, that is two additional tires to maintain, not to mention another spare to have to carry around. Did I mention that it is a pain at campgrounds having to move it around? On the way home from picking up the new toad, I had to stop seven times to readjust a strap that kept coming loose. It was my fault for not looping the strap correctly the first time, but that would not have been an issue towing 4 down. Another disadvantage....I had to build some wooden blocks to get the car on the ramps without tearing the front end off. Just something else to have to carry around.


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69RoadRunner wrote:

I do both, and there is absolutely no question that using a trailer is a much bigger hassle.

Let me give my steps starting with hooking up the trailer.

Need to have a much longer space available than doing 4 down to hook up the trailer.

Backing up the motorhome to the trailer requires much more work and precision thant driving the car up to the motorhome.

Lower trailer on to hitch ball. Tighten trailer on hitch ball. Do the chains, breakaway cable and connect to 7 pin connector.

Unlock both combination locks that secure the ramps.

Pull out ramps and put them on the trailer.

Remove driver's side fender on trailer because it's too tall to open the door with it on (not all trailers require this).

Line up car to the ramps. If doing this solo, I have to get out of the car to make sure I'm lined up.

Drive up on to the trailer making sure I'm in the right spot.

Set emergency brake and leave in first gear (4 speed).

Attach 4 tie down straps and tighten.

Reinstall trailer fender.

Check lights.

Do the reverse to unload.


You forgot to add. Doing it in the rain or when it's 98 degrees outside...


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Posted: 07/29/10 12:32pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

wa8yxm wrote:


Trailer towing:

Hook up trailer to rig (Save for the axle lock or drive shaft disconnect or transfer case this is about the same as above, ONly it' harder because the weight of the hitch). Weight of hitch("A" frame of trailer)? Same for connecting any trailer to a tow vehicle, back under and lower onto the ball.Weight of hitch("A" frame of trailer)? Same for connecting any trailer to a tow vehicle, back under and lower onto the ball.

Now pull the car in.. EXACT, no about.

Strap it down'

15 miles later re-check it. ???? I never check the tie-downs after I have loaded my trailer. Never had any straps or my winch cable in front with a backup strap ever come loose.???? I never check the tie-downs after I have loaded my trailer. Never had any straps or my winch cable in front with a backup strap ever come loose.

WAY MORE WORK!!!!!


Plus as someone else said: Where do you put the trailer?
Sometimes in same campsite, other times in a parking area, or maybe in a pull through site just behind the MH. Depends on the campground.
Where do you put the trailer?
Sometimes in same campsite, other times in a parking area, or maybe in a pull through site just behind the MH. Depends on the campground.

Advantage of a FULL trailer (not an open trailer)

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There are Pros and Cons to each and your needs must determine the choice you make.There are Pros and Cons to each and your needs must determine the choice you make. Costs is another factor as to your choice.

Can your car be towed 4 down? What is the costs to modify it to tow 4 down? Buying all of the equipment to tow 4 down can easily run $2600-$3200 by the time you purchase and have installed all of the items. Cannot backup any car 4 down, as not advised by any Tow Bar mfg.

If you have a FWD(front wheel drive) vehicle towing on a dolly is the most cost effective to start with. Buy a dolly with electric or surge brakes and brake controller on MH and you are ready to go for around $1,000-$1200. I moved the dolly with a hitch on the back of our RAV4.

Open or closed trailer costs $1800-$4500 (if new) electric brake controller for MH, license and registration, not much in most states, nor is insurance. Enables you to haul any car or truck. Can backup and other advantages.

I have tried all of the above and for different situations they all of their advantages and flexibility.


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Nomadac wrote:

wa8yxm wrote:


Trailer towing:

Hook up trailer to rig (Save for the axle lock or drive shaft disconnect or transfer case this is about the same as above, ONly it' harder because the weight of the hitch). Weight of hitch("A" frame of trailer)? Same for connecting any trailer to a tow vehicle, back under and lower onto the ball.Weight of hitch("A" frame of trailer)? Same for connecting any trailer to a tow vehicle, back under and lower onto the ball.

Now pull the car in.. EXACT, no about.

Strap it down'

15 miles later re-check it. ???? I never check the tie-downs after I have loaded my trailer. Never had any straps or my winch cable in front with a backup strap ever come loose.???? I never check the tie-downs after I have loaded my trailer. Never had any straps or my winch cable in front with a backup strap ever come loose.

WAY MORE WORK!!!!!


Plus as someone else said: Where do you put the trailer?
Sometimes in same campsite, other times in a parking area, or maybe in a pull through site just behind the MH. Depends on the campground.
Where do you put the trailer?
Sometimes in same campsite, other times in a parking area, or maybe in a pull through site just behind the MH. Depends on the campground.

Advantage of a FULL trailer (not an open trailer)

Garage


There are Pros and Cons to each and your needs must determine the choice you make.There are Pros and Cons to each and your needs must determine the choice you make. Costs is another factor as to your choice.

Can your car be towed 4 down? What is the costs to modify it to tow 4 down? Buying all of the equipment to tow 4 down can easily run $2600-$3200 by the time you purchase and have installed all of the items. Cannot backup any car 4 down, as not advised by any Tow Bar mfg.

If you have a FWD(front wheel drive) vehicle towing on a dolly is the most cost effective to start with. Buy a dolly with electric or surge brakes and brake controller on MH and you are ready to go for around $1,000-$1200. I moved the dolly with a hitch on the back of our RAV4.

Open or closed trailer costs $1800-$4500 (if new) electric brake controller for MH, license and registration, not much in most states, nor is insurance. Enables you to haul any car or truck. Can backup and other advantages.

I have tried all of the above and for different situations they all of their advantages and flexibility.


and THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is the bald truth of the matter!

I set up my Jeep for towing 4 down for less than $250.
My trailer cost $2295, and the one-time registration was about $175. With it, I can take the Jeep OR the Subaru. (The Subaru is NOT towable 4 down OR on a dolly!)
I can also haul hay (or other "stuff") with it. It is also quite convenient when somebody's vehicle breaks (OK, that has only happened once in the last 5 years.)


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Posted: 07/29/10 04:11pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Ive done all three methods,and towing 4down is the least hassle and the most effective. A plus for me personally,is that my toad has a manual transmission,so all the fuse-pulling-lube pump stuff was something I was able to avoid. I just hook the car up,install the brake buddy,unlock the steering,release the park brake and ensure the trans is in neutral.

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Posted: 07/29/10 06:40pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

No tongue weight for down.
With a trailer you have tongue weight.

Some states you have to license the trailer.

Not all trailers come with large wheels.

Have to have a place to store when not using the trailer.

Have to hitch up the trailer than the toad on the trailer.


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Posted: 07/29/10 06:54pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Well, Now that we have convinced you that a car trailer IS an xtra pain!

I'll go one step further and tell you that when you buy your toad that you can tow 4 down get the automatic brake system where all you do is flip a switch vs the brake buddy. Bypass that learning curve, I didn't and I am sorry I didn't listen to the seasoned ones here on the forum.

Doing the brake buddy thing of bending down under the steering wheel to get it in and hooked up to the brake pad, testing it 4 times,etc, while down on your knees in 90 degree heat gets 'real' 'real' old real quick!





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Posted: 07/29/10 07:47pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

rockhillmanor wrote:

Well, Now that we have convinced you that a car trailer IS an xtra pain!

I'll go one step further and tell you that when you buy your toad that you can tow 4 down get the automatic brake system where all you do is flip a switch vs the brake buddy. Bypass that learning curve, I didn't and I am sorry I didn't listen to the seasoned ones here on the forum.

Doing the brake buddy thing of bending down under the steering wheel to get it in and hooked up to the brake pad, testing it 4 times,etc, while down on your knees in 90 degree heat gets 'real' 'real' old real quick!


LOL Thats why I let the DW set up the BB. Only takes her a few min. while set up the tow bar.

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Posted: 07/29/10 08:28pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

If you get into a bad spot, you can disconnect the 4-down toad and get both toad and MH out of there with less trouble. Back up, turn around, whatever.


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We have towed four down for over twenty years but went to a trailer when we wanted a car that absolutely could not be towed four down. Now we would never to back, the trailer is just so much easier!




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