NEVERSWEAT7
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hotpepperkid wrote:•You will take a law test for a noncommercial Class A license based on the information contained in this booklet
That statement is a little misleading unless that test is only 20 questions. DW and I both took the test. Your 5er over 10K lbs but less that 15K. Its called restriction 41. The test we took was 20 questions. It took them a while for them to fig out which test to give us. There was a person from head office there doing training the day we were there, thank god other wise they may have never fig it out.
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kofire
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slowerthanu wrote:Okay this is all over my head but I just want to make sure I am safe and my insurance company will cover me if I injure someone in an accident. I will be towing a 35' fifth wheel that is 10,500 LBs dry 13,500 GVWR I will be towing with a 1999 F350 crew cab 4X4 single rear wheels. I have regular truck tires not the heavy load rated ones. I know I need the rv endorsement or class a non commercial but not sure which one exactly. My truck is rated to tow 13,000. Am I going to be overloaded with 4 people in the truck? Neversweat7 what do you think? Thanks for your input.
Your trucks "tow rating" is pretty irrelevant in the real world. That "tow rating" is for the truck with one passenger in it!! What you need to be concerned about is GCVWR & GVWR
First off you need to go weigh your rig with everything in it you are going to be taking on your trip ( including people & full tank of fuel) Than, get your 5'er weighed with it fully loaded also! Once you have your Numbers and add and subtract til you determine where you are at!
Your trucks GCVWR is 20,000 I beileve?
GCVWR - 20,000
Truck weight - ? lets just say it weighs 8000lbs full of fuel and people.
That equals 20,000-8000 = 12000lbs left to tow a trailer!
Than you need to subtract your vehicles actual weight from the scales and subtract it from your rated trucks GVWR to determine legal Pin weight capacity soooo....lets say your GVWR is 9200 like my truck is....My truck weighs 7400 loaded so,,,,9200-7400= 1800lbs of available payload I have......confused yet??? Give me the GCVWR & GVWR of your truck and I can figure out your numbers for you.
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Gunpilot77
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kofire wrote:
Your trucks "tow rating" is pretty irrelevant in the real world.
As is GCWR and GVWR. Other than British Columbia no one enforces the factory ratings because they are so arbitrary and have no industry standard.
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Decided that I should get the endorsement on my license since I tow a 13,500 pound rated 5er. Went to the Yreka DMV Thursday (since they are all closed Friday's), stood in line with my number, finally got to the window to be told they did not really know where the test was, or what to do to file the updates. Suggested I go to Mt. Shasta as they know how to do this. Went this morning, got the right person and took the 20 question test. Pretty straight forward and simple. I asked the DMV person if this was a popular test and he said no. I think this requirement is one of the best kep secrets around, until you get stopped or have an accident.
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kofire
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Gunpilot77 wrote:kofire wrote:
Your trucks "tow rating" is pretty irrelevant in the real world.
As is GCWR and GVWR. Other than British Columbia no one enforces the factory ratings because they are so arbitrary and have no industry standard.
Not true at all. This would be a major factor in a law suit if you were to get in an accident. A jury, judge and good lawyer are going to use these numbers and you can be guaranteed this ( along with other factors) is how Law Enforcement will consider you negligent...use some common sense man.
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Cider wrote: I think this requirement is one of the best kep secrets around, until you get stopped or have an accident.
this is true. three years ago when i found out about the requirement i asked a couple of chp guys and they looked at me like i was nuts. some are aware and some are not, but a good lawyer (if there is such a thing) will mostly certainly know. its a shame in what you have to go thru at the dmv. thats why in a previous post i recommended that people go to a dmv in rural area. i live in la and went to blythe, ca to get endorsement. if i had gone here, i'd still be there.
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hotpepperkid
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Does anyone know of anyone first hand who has been in an accident without the proper lic or over loaded. What was the out come?
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Gunpilot77
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kofire wrote:Gunpilot77 wrote:kofire wrote:
Your trucks "tow rating" is pretty irrelevant in the real world.
As is GCWR and GVWR. Other than British Columbia no one enforces the factory ratings because they are so arbitrary and have no industry standard.
Not true at all. This would be a major factor in a law suit if you were to get in an accident. A jury, judge and good lawyer are going to use these numbers and you can be guaranteed this ( along with other factors) is how Law Enforcement will consider you negligent...use some common sense man.
Guess what. If you are at fault it makes no difference to a jury or judge what the vehicle weighs. And if you are not at fault there are scum bag lawyers who will take everything you have even if you are within some arbitrary rating. What you say has been floating around internet sites for years, but no one has actually witnessed someone weighing the pieces and parts of the aftermath. Law enforcement officers will be the first to tell you that the ratings are just that, ratings. Just as meaningless as Nielson ratings of TV shows. I have crossed dozens of scales pulling RVs of all sizes and have not once been asked what the GVWR or GCWR of my pickup is. In January I had a level 1 inspection on my equipment, log book and paperwork. The only thing the man was interested in was if my registration covered the actual weight of the combo, other than that nada. My common sense tells me your fears are a result of an internet myth that won't die.
Just wondering. Have you ever seen a duelly pulling one of these, or a variation? car hauling wedge Think they are within GVWR OR GCWR when 3 or 4 full size cars and/or pickups are loaded on the wedge? Do you think it is possible for them to operate if they are not within the law?
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kofire
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My arguement is really only valid in California I just think it's ridiculous when people tow outside of their rated capacity. If it doesn't matter why do we have f350 trucks. Why do we have f450s?? That is because that is what they were DESIGNED to do. Using your logic we can just tow 25000 lbs with a f250 and shouldn't have a problem For that matter why have different licensing requirements? My point is those trucks are given a rating for a reason. That is what the manafacturer is comfortable saying their truck is capable of pulling Everybody else reading this please understand that towing outside of your trucks rated capacity is not only dangerous to you and your family but to everyone else on the road. Please do your research and get the proper licensing though it may be a little annoying. It will help your case ten fold if God forbid anything would ever happen in your travels. IGNORANCE IS NOT AN EXCUSE
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kofire wrote:Gunpilot77 wrote:kofire wrote:
Your trucks "tow rating" is pretty irrelevant in the real world.
As is GCWR and GVWR. Other than British Columbia no one enforces the factory ratings because they are so arbitrary and have no industry standard.
Not true at all. This would be a major factor in a law suit if you were to get in an accident. A jury, judge and good lawyer are going to use these numbers and you can be guaranteed this ( along with other factors) is how Law Enforcement will consider you negligent...use some common sense man.
Yeah man!! 
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