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bigred1cav

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mowermech wrote:

I would like to "buy American", so I did a little research several years ago.
Of course, we all know about the "W" stores, often referred to as "Chinamart".
So, I went to Kmart. Most of the stuff made overseas (NOT just China, by the way).
I tried Shopko. Most of the stuff made overseas (much of it from Viet Nam!)
I tried Costco. Same thing.
I checked the gift shop at Cracker Barrel. Same thing.
I tried a locally owned and operated Native American shop. Less than half of the items in stock were made on U.S. Native American Reservations, the rest was made overseas.
I checked Tractor Supply Company. Same thing.
Big R Ranch supply? Same thing.

You drank the cool aide. Don't blame the American worker,blame the American Corporations. The worker performs the work a sspecified by the corp. the worker does not design or set assembly line rate of travel.

To say the American worker is less capable or motovated than a worker in some offshore shop is fully spouting the roght wing talking points bad worker bad union only sweat shops will save America at less than living wages. Lower teh American wage to that of a Chinese worker. $5.00 per day and where would you get the money for your RV toy?
Actually, with the exception of certain "specialty" items (Carhartt work clothes, furniture, things like that) they all had pretty much the same assortment of stuff, most of it from overseas.
Wranglers, Levis, Dickies, Carhartt, Blizzard-Pruf, parts for Ford N series tractors, furniture made from pressed sawdust, etc., all from overseas.
Is the CEO to blame? Perhaps, but he has to answer to the Board of Directors, and they have to answer to the stockholders. Who are the stockholders? Well, the majority of them are YOU guys! (not me, I don't own any stocks, and I have no "retirement funds" that are invested in the stock market.)
So, WHO sent all that manufacturing overseas? IMO, a sizable portion of the blame goes to the American worker, who incessantly wants more money for the same amount (or less, in many cases) of work. When it becomes cheaper to send the raw materials overseas, fabricate the goods, then ship the finished product back to this country, than it is to manufacture the product here, there is more than enough blame to spread around, starting with the janitor in the plant and going all the way up to government regulations and taxation.
Yes, the CEO carries part of that blame, but there is MUCH more to it than his/her desire for profit (to keep his/her job?) and the bonuses the Board voted for him/her!






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2Rovers wrote:

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Do you know why? Its because everyone of us that plays in the stock market wants to make money. That cant be done here with such high labor so they go to China. So the next time you are so happy about your 401 or your stocks are up you can say i sent all those jobs there.


You are 100% correct. That's one reason we pulled away from the stock market and won't be going back. It's their game, but we don't have to play in their sandbox.


It wasn't until the 80's the m ark of economic health was the stock market. The number of employed workers was the standard, not how much money has been made by investors doing nothing productive.

Name one job other than those driectly involved in the stock market created by the stock market. Contrary to "VOODOO ECONOMICS", demand not supply drives the economic engine. Where will those importing goods not made in America sell those goods when they have reduce all of us to cooly wages?

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About 25 years ago I noted this trend to foreign items for sale and refused to buy them.

I was laughed at by friends and fellow workers.

Now I can't find made in USA so I also shop Walmart.

Feel for our grandkids.

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gorjo01 wrote:

It is kinda ironic that captalistic greed sent jobs to communist China.


You hit it square on.

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Jarlaxle wrote:

I've more or less given up...I just try to get things NOT made in Red China now.


There is no other China, all China is red China. Taiwan is a seperate country.

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Posted: 10/20/09 03:32pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

How about Hong Kong?
Most of electronics come from there.

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Kajtek1 wrote:

How about Hong Kong?
Most of electronics come from there.

Hong Kong is a city in China and most consumer electronics are made in mainland China, not Hong Kong.



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For the sake of members education
Wikipedia wrote:

Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China
Hong Kong is one of the world's leading financial centres. Its highly developed capitalist economy has been ranked the freest in the world by the Index of Economic Freedom for 15 consecutive years

Population over 7 millions.
Dare to compare position of HK v/s USA in the Index of Economic Freedom?

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Yes, we try to find "Made in the USA" but boy, is it difficult. Even more so we try to buy stuff made (or more often grown) in the immediate area we're in.

Particularly when it comes to locally grown produce, we find the major national stores to be very poor. We live in the Skagit Valley of Washington which has the most prolific agricultural produce system anywhere. In season, local farms grow potatoes, strawberries, raspberries, blueberries, loganberries, tayberries, blackberries, tomatoes, carrots, peas, cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower. Just over the Cascade range, they grow apples, pears, etc.

Safeway buys nationally, ships all over the country and NEVER seems to source locally. The best strawberries in the world are grown within 20 miles of Anacortes (and they are all consumed locally!) but Safeway insists on trying to sell California berries that have been in cold storage and then on a truck for three or four days. Taste like cardboard.

Out of season. we like to get the Chilean blueberries, but only if we ate all the local stuff before we got round to freezing any!

Whenever we're out on the road we go looking for the local family-owned small supermarkets or Farmers' Markets so we can get the good local stuff. It helps out the local farmers and you get so much better produce.

Other stuff (electronics, appliances, cars, manufactured goods that aren't organic), we take a careful look and patronize US manufacturers (if there are any) or whichever overseas producer is doing the least amount of damage to the environment, doesn't use slave labor, etc. Costs a bit more, but it helps level the playing field a degree or two. If the differential cost gets above 25 percent for a functionally and quality equivalent alternative, we start to question our principles!

Got to admit, though, our family barge is a KIA!


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Charlie D. wrote:

wny_pat wrote:

I want to know what is so bad about saying "Buy American Made" and "Buy Union Made"?



I would also like to know.


Nothing bad about it at all.We just have to be prepared to pay more
and hope to get better quality.


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